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Tame Swallow
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| Yes - would be good to be able to move the whole piece of work to a postion that you prefer. Sometimes you can have done a huge amount of the picture and then discover you need more space at one side or the top/bottom - for example to finish the top of the head in a portrait. So can it be done to help in that way? Tame |
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Shehzeen
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 1:37 pm Post subject: |
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Thats amazing MS. I mean if u can make this feature its gr8.I'm totally FOR the idea  |
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ImmortalMadness
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| I just don't see why all of a sudden you are changing your former views on many things like this. Trying to make the broth easier and what not. |
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Bebi
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's a good idea, centering an artwork is one of my failure points |
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Tame Swallow
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| ImmortalMadness wrote: | | I just don't see why all of a sudden you are changing your former views on many things like this. Trying to make the broth easier and what not. |
Its good that people's ideas are being listened to IM and maybe acted on - thats good in my view |
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ImmortalMadness
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Never listened before. It used to be about the challenge. Keeping the broth simple and all that. Centering was part of the challenge and the users who were able to center their artwork were praised. It's an unnecessary feature and takes away from the challenge. |
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MorningStar
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| ImmortalMadness wrote: | | I just don't see why all of a sudden you are changing your former views on many things like this. Trying to make the broth easier and what not. |
I said it before and I'll say it again. I am not changing my former views on many things - not that that'd be a bad thing mind you, but I am still against multimove of tiles like on the first day. This is a new idea - moving the whole artwork on the canvas after the snapshot was taken. Unless I'm mistaken, this has not been suggested before. You're invited to prove me wrong. 
Having said that, we've been working feverishly - and still are - on improving TheBroth. This is why the next contest has been delayed - it'd be unfair if in the middle of the contest making artworks suddenly became "easier". So we better hold off for a few weeks until the new stuff all works as intended.
We've even considered opening up something like "TheBroth labs", where interested members can have a preview of the stuff we're working on, bugs and warts and all!  |
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ImmortalMadness
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 7:27 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe this particular thing has never come up before (Although I thought it had). But, I do distinctly remember you saying that centering was part of the challenge. Well...I guess not for long!
Soon we'll be able to use that color pallet and then eventually, we'll all have a special program that'll do it for us. |
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Tame Swallow
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 8:32 pm Post subject: |
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In whatever business - if that business does not pay atention to the views of its customers/clients their product fails! 
That would be a shame for the Broth  |
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ImmortalMadness
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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So are you saying that the business was failing and now he decided to listen? Because it seems as if you are taking all the credit for yourself. (clarification)
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MorningStar
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| ImmortalMadness wrote: | | So are you saying that the business was failing and now he decided to listen? |
I hope you're not confusing TheBroth for a business yet!
Naturally I hope we can turn TheBroth into a viable business one day, but right now it runs on the money and time of nobody else but yours truly, and has been doing so for quite some time. Mind you, I am not complaining. I believe in TheBroth, and we'll continue to make it as good as we possibly can.
I'm almost reading between the lines here, and I am wondering whether you insinuate that we don't listen to suggestions? I hope not - because obviously we are listening.
As developers, we have a strong vision for TheBroth and some things fit into that vision, and others do not. However, this doesn't mean they can't be discussed. They can, and I am always grateful for ideas and suggestions!
Are there any particular suggestions of yours that you like to see implemented? |
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ImmortalMadness
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| Posted: Mon Jan 15, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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| What about your staff, don't they provide time? |
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MorningStar
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| Of course they provide time. I guess that's the deal with any kind of employment! |
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thirty-seven
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Sometimes you can't improve something without adding to it. Some additional features may seem contradictory to the values that the developers have had "since day one" -- namely "keeping it simple". To me, "keeping it simple" refers only to moving tiles; blogs and forums and you name it fall under the category of "improvements" rather than "making TheBroth more complicated than wanted".
Sorry, just had a really "inspirational" moment right there. I'm just trying to say that nobody should be so quick to cry "foul" every time TheBroth is updated. The core of TheBroth -- moving tiles -- has virtually remained the same since the beginning. Don't worry about it too much. (this is to everybody, not anyone in particular) |
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Brrr-FrostNZ
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2007 7:48 am Post subject: |
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I guess there’s quite a degree of unconscious misunderstanding going on here! This includes a large slice of reading between the lines, a badly considered assumption that I / we knew where the boss was coming from with a subconscious opinion that you fully understood that standpoint plus throw in a slice of; I can change my mind over time but hey; that’s not a bad thing...
Some of the past comments made do, if read with an open mind and a little slice of – ok I see that – could be a contribution to the problem here.
Lets take a look at a few...to be found in Why there won't be colored backgrounds (and other features)
| Marcus W wrote: | It is exactly the restrictions that TheBroth has which is responsible for its success - the leveling of the playing field. Everyone has only 1000 tiles, and no, you can't have more tiles and no you can't move them all at once or have other advanced tools that turn TheBroth into a mini-Photoshop.
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| Freaky Friday wrote: | Couldn't agree more.
I like TheBroth the way it is. It's good to know the "advanced tools" will never be made, the way it is now makes making a masterpiece so much more satisfying once it's done!
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| thirty seven wrote: | Less is more.
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and then in this forum (at the start)
| Marcus W wrote: | I agree - it would be handy, and we had considered to implement such a function. But at the same time, as this would make things a lot easier, it would make things a lot less impressive.
In the goold old times of painting with oil and canvas, you couldn't just copy, paste or move either. Thus, works of the old masters are a lot more impressive because you know the limited means they had available. |
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| Marcus W wrote: | Similarly - the more technical means we'd provide to make artworks in TheBroth, the less impressive they'd be. Once you start having one aid, you'll soon have another and before we know it we'd have a little mini-Photoshop that doesn't take much effort at all.
So - no mass-tile moving features for TheBroth. Let's keep it simple.
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you put all these together over the time frame they are from and peoples perception.. (Mine and Immortal Madness) is that you (TheBroth) don’t want this type of feature..
Our bad..
Lets see what this does and how much effect it has on making it less of a challenge…
Admittedly you don’t have to use the feature. Others could make there own mind up as to whether you did or not. Would that increase or diminish the considered thought about your finished art if they knew or thought you had used final tile mass move adjustment.
Bring it on... let’s see what happens.
Brrr_FrostNZ |
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